EVEP ... and earnings per share...how can this be?

[investor952]

I am a bit confused regarding EPS for ticker EVEP.

In QP, it says the TTM eps for EVEP is $4.22.
This is in the company info section.

However, when I look in the earnings estimate section,
the current mean estimate for 2009 is 1.66 and for 2010 is 2.11 !!!

How can this be? This seems to be totally out of whack with the $4.22.

Am I reading this right?

Can someone please explain?

Thanks.



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[gary]

Hi

They are in the natural gas business, and gas prices have collapsed.

Best regards

Gary


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Subject: [quotes-plus] EVEP ... and earnings per share...how can this be?





I am a bit confused regarding EPS for ticker EVEP.

In QP, it says the TTM eps for EVEP is $4.22.
This is in the company info section.

However, when I look in the earnings estimate section,
the current mean estimate for 2009 is 1.66 and for 2010 is 2.11 !!!

How can this be? This seems to be totally out of whack with the $4.22.

Am I reading this right?

Can someone please explain?

Thanks.

[investor952]

Hello Gary..my question isn't regarding the number..It is regarding
why the huge difference between what QP has and what Yahoo and my
Merrill Broker has for the same company??

Regarding collapsing..what hasn't collapsed?

Post by gary
Hi
They are in the natural gas business, and gas prices have collapsed.
Best regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: investor952
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:28 AM
Subject: [quotes-plus] EVEP ... and earnings per share...how can this be?
I am a bit confused regarding EPS for ticker EVEP.
In QP, it says the TTM eps for EVEP is $4.22.
This is in the company info section.
However, when I look in the earnings estimate section,
the current mean estimate for 2009 is 1.66 and for 2010 is 2.11 !!!
How can this be? This seems to be totally out of whack with the $4.22.
Am I reading this right?
Can someone please explain?
Thanks.

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[Howard Hansen]

TTM stands for trailing 12 months and depending upon when EPS releases
its earnings for the first quarter of 2009 the $4.22 could be for 2008
or the last 9 months of 2008 and the first 3 months of 2009. Where as
the $1.66 estimate is for a different time period. The estimate is for
the 2009 calendar year. Most likely EPS made a large profit in the
first half of 2008 and analysts are expecting EPS to report a big drop
in earnings in 2009 due to the recession.

Howard

Post by investor952
I am a bit confused regarding EPS for ticker EVEP.
In QP, it says the TTM eps for EVEP is $4.22.
This is in the company info section.
However, when I look in the earnings estimate section,
the current mean estimate for 2009 is 1.66 and for 2010 is 2.11 !!!
How can this be? This seems to be totally out of whack with the $4.22.
Am I reading this right?
Can someone please explain?
Thanks.

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[investor952]

Hello, yes, but I would expect the QP, Yahoo, and Merrill Lynch
values to all be on the same page as they all say "TTM Earnings" yet
their respective values are VERY different!!! Which one is correct? Which one do we use? What I am saying is that 3 sources here display TTM EPS..and all three are very different...not even close.

Post by Howard Hansen
TTM stands for trailing 12 months and depending upon when EPS releases
its earnings for the first quarter of 2009 the $4.22 could be for 2008
or the last 9 months of 2008 and the first 3 months of 2009. Where as
the $1.66 estimate is for a different time period. The estimate is for
the 2009 calendar year. Most likely EPS made a large profit in the
first half of 2008 and analysts are expecting EPS to report a big drop
in earnings in 2009 due to the recession.
Howard

Post by investor952
I am a bit confused regarding EPS for ticker EVEP.
In QP, it says the TTM eps for EVEP is $4.22.
This is in the company info section.
However, when I look in the earnings estimate section,
the current mean estimate for 2009 is 1.66 and for 2010 is 2.11 !!!
How can this be? This seems to be totally out of whack with the $4.22.
Am I reading this right?
Can someone please explain?
Thanks.

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[Tom Mosher]

Even TTM earnings are open to interpretation. One service might exclude
"extraordinary items"
while another may report the straight GAAP figures. I don't trust any of
them. If it's really
important, I look at the SEC filings myself.

Post by investor952
Hello, yes, but I would expect the QP, Yahoo, and Merrill Lynch
values to all be on the same page as they all say "TTM Earnings" yet
their respective values are VERY different!!! Which one is correct? Which
one do we use? What I am saying is that 3 sources here display TTM EPS..and
all three are very different...not even close.

Post by Howard Hansen
TTM stands for trailing 12 months and depending upon when EPS releases
its earnings for the first quarter of 2009 the $4.22 could be for 2008
or the last 9 months of 2008 and the first 3 months of 2009. Where as
the $1.66 estimate is for a different time period. The estimate is for
the 2009 calendar year. Most likely EPS made a large profit in the
first half of 2008 and analysts are expecting EPS to report a big drop
in earnings in 2009 due to the recession.
Howard

Post by investor952
I am a bit confused regarding EPS for ticker EVEP.
In QP, it says the TTM eps for EVEP is $4.22.
This is in the company info section.
However, when I look in the earnings estimate section,
the current mean estimate for 2009 is 1.66 and for 2010 is 2.11 !!!
How can this be? This seems to be totally out of whack with the $4.22.
Am I reading this right?
Can someone please explain?
Thanks.

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[investor952]

TTM, as you say stands for trailing twelve months. That means,
previously occurring twelve months...I believe, by definition.
The 'previous' twelve months should be the same for QP, Yahoo, Merrill Lynch, and anyone else. Right? It shouldn't have to depend
on anything... previous twelve months is previous twelve months..
in this case, May 2008 thru April 2009. I learned that TTM is a rolling year...the prior 12 months. The same for everybody.

Post by Howard Hansen
TTM stands for trailing 12 months and depending upon when EPS releases
its earnings for the first quarter of 2009 the $4.22 could be for 2008
or the last 9 months of 2008 and the first 3 months of 2009. Where as
the $1.66 estimate is for a different time period. The estimate is for
the 2009 calendar year. Most likely EPS made a large profit in the
first half of 2008 and analysts are expecting EPS to report a big drop
in earnings in 2009 due to the recession.
Howard

Post by investor952
I am a bit confused regarding EPS for ticker EVEP.
In QP, it says the TTM eps for EVEP is $4.22.
This is in the company info section.
However, when I look in the earnings estimate section,
the current mean estimate for 2009 is 1.66 and for 2010 is 2.11 !!!
How can this be? This seems to be totally out of whack with the $4.22.
Am I reading this right?
Can someone please explain?
Thanks.

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[Howard Hansen]

Your original question was about why there was a big difference between
a TTM earnings per share figure and a future earnings per share
figure. Now you are changing the subject and asking why different data
providers show different values for the TTM earnings per share figure.
Sorry I can;t answer your new question. I can only handle the easy
questions.

Howard

Post by investor952
TTM, as you say stands for trailing twelve months. That means,
previously occurring twelve months...I believe, by definition.
The 'previous' twelve months should be the same for QP, Yahoo, Merrill
Lynch, and anyone else. Right? It shouldn't have to depend
on anything... previous twelve months is previous twelve months..
in this case, May 2008 thru April 2009. I learned that TTM is a
rolling year...the prior 12 months. The same for everybody.

Post by Howard Hansen
TTM stands for trailing 12 months and depending upon when EPS releases
its earnings for the first quarter of 2009 the $4.22 could be for 2008
or the last 9 months of 2008 and the first 3 months of 2009. Where as
the $1.66 estimate is for a different time period. The estimate is for
the 2009 calendar year. Most likely EPS made a large profit in the
first half of 2008 and analysts are expecting EPS to report a big drop
in earnings in 2009 due to the recession.
Howard

Post by investor952
I am a bit confused regarding EPS for ticker EVEP.
In QP, it says the TTM eps for EVEP is $4.22.
This is in the company info section.
However, when I look in the earnings estimate section,
the current mean estimate for 2009 is 1.66 and for 2010 is 2.11 !!!
How can this be? This seems to be totally out of whack with the $4.22.
Am I reading this right?
Can someone please explain?
Thanks.

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